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Title: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: 2004_156_Ti on March 22, 2017, 07:00:58 PM
I bought an Alfa 2004 156 Ti last friday (for $2k) and today it's at Battaglia Garage. The mechanic reckons it sounds like the camshafts are damaged (the engine is a bit noisy). He's going to open it up to find the problem and gimme a quote. Sad thing is he thinks it might need a new engine most likely (from Sydney!). He said that bits of metal might be all through the oil/engine so fixing camshaft won't help. Could set me back $6k if this really is the problem and I decide to go with it. On the one hand its such a nice car (I don't want to see it die!) but on the other it could be so expensive to fix!
Anyhow does this engine problem scenario sound familiar to you guys? Should I get a second opinion on the quote? Or gimme any advice, there seems to be some knowledgable people here.

Cheers

Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: gtv19 on March 28, 2017, 01:24:26 PM
Hello 156 owner, I hope you have sorted out the problem with the car. They can be very frustrating but a great joy to drive when they are performing well. Why not pop into the Alfa Club SA meeting at the Sporting Car Club headquarters on 51 King William Rd Unley on Thursday week at 730-800. There is plenty of like minded Alfa owners to talk to. Check out our website www.alfaclubsa.org.au.

Cheers,

Laurie
Past President etc
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: gtv19 on March 31, 2017, 01:02:01 PM
Howdy mate, I hope you have sorted out the problems.

Cheers
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: 2004_156_Ti on April 01, 2017, 05:01:53 PM
In the end it'll cost around $7k to fix... ouch. I attatched the quote below, anyone have any suggestions what to do?
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: Garibaldi on April 01, 2017, 07:59:24 PM
You certainly bought the car cheap enough.

If the body, steering and suspension is ok I would be probably pay to get it repaired.

The other alternative is to sell it and try and get your $2K back.

Good luck with whatever you decide.  :)

Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: alfagtv152 on April 01, 2017, 08:01:21 PM
Hi there,
I am also the owner of 2004 156 TI sillyspeed and I love it. I am in my second season of circuit sprinting in it.
As to your dilemma, You are between a rock and a hard place!. If you repair it you will have good sporty car to drive around but you will be well and truly over capitalised for the value of the car. You could buy another quite good 156 for the same money but you may still have to do belts etc.
Good luck!
Cheers
Andrew
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: alfagtv152 on April 01, 2017, 08:53:17 PM
What are the details of the car?,ie colour,trans,etc,etc.
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: Darryl on April 01, 2017, 08:59:43 PM
Sell it for parts. Buy a (good) V6 156 instead. It will still cost money - but you will enjoy it!

Or with slightly less opinion...

Just what version to buy is debatable, but as you have noticed, these cars are undervalued. Which means you should try to find a good one, not overcapitalise by fixing a bad one.

Of course practical considerations like available funds and needing a car do come into play... If you can afford to be patient and find a good car with a motivated seller.... If you can't, and you are looking at this as a longish term "commitment" it MIGHT be ok. Ask your mechanic what he thinks of the condition of the rest of it mechanically? It could get very expensive and/or frustrating if the car is a bit sad all around.... Is it a Selespeed?
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: poohbah on April 01, 2017, 11:35:58 PM
Really sorry to hear how it turned out mate. Sounds like you were dealt a dud hand by the seller.

For what its worth - I'd cut my losses and try and get what back what you can of your $2k by selling it for whatever you can get (parts will fetch more, but will take longer) rather than spending another $7k on a replacement motor).

But as someone now onto his second 156, I'd encourage you to use whatever you get back and put it toward another (better) 156. They are brilliant cars.

If you look long enough, you should be able to find a decent one with proper history for under $5k.

Like Darryl suggests I'd try to find a V6 manual - they are the most robust, make the best sound and have the most poke.

But if you choose a 2L, I'd steer clear of the selespeeds, and get one that doesn't need the timing belt replaced for at least another 12-18 months. That will hopefully give you some breathing space to enjoy it before you need to write another big cheque (the belt has to be replaced every 3 years or 60,000km - religiously - and its a +$1500 job)

All the best and I hope this doesn't put you off Alfa ownership for good.
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: alanm on April 02, 2017, 08:42:13 AM
To answer your question 'does this sound familiar' - yes it does.
The 2004 model is a JTS engine which are known to destroy cam shafts as a result of less than perfect servicing and maintainence. Fresh, high quality oil of the correct grade every 5000klms might have prevented the problem.
The twin spark 2 litre (1999 - 2002?) and the 2.5 V6 are more owner friendly options.
The 156 is a great car, I highly recommend them, maybe not a neglected JTS though...
Cheers,
Al
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: Neil Choi on April 02, 2017, 04:46:15 PM
See if you can get another opinion.  Go see Peter Axford at Eurosport (08) 8362 2333.  He is a good Alfa member and a good mate.
If the engine is noisy ie sounds like a diesel, then definitely worn cams, you can pull cams cover off and see for yourself.  You might be lucky in just needing cams.  Needs to be first hand diagnosis ie see Peter or other mechanic, an Alfa one.
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: dehne on April 02, 2017, 06:35:35 PM
$7000 is very steep, you can buy a 159 for that. I would part the car out and either buy a late model 156, but would look around as the GT's, Brera's and other models are all reasonably priced ATM for that price
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: martym00se72 on April 05, 2017, 10:54:35 PM
That quote has $20 spark plugs, makes me think the rest might be a bit high too... Unless that is the going rate for a set of nkg plugs from a workshop.
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: Storm_X on May 20, 2017, 09:18:21 AM
I would personally not do it. That price is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: Gtv6 on May 22, 2017, 07:37:18 PM
I have dealt with the mechanic in question. Take your business elsewhere.
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: 2004_156_Ti on October 11, 2017, 11:19:53 AM
See if you can get another opinion.  Go see Peter Axford at Eurosport (08) 8362 2333.  He is a good Alfa member and a good mate.
If the engine is noisy ie sounds like a diesel, then definitely worn cams, you can pull cams cover off and see for yourself.  You might be lucky in just needing cams.  Needs to be first hand diagnosis ie see Peter or other mechanic, an Alfa one.

Thanks for the advice. I took my car to Eurosport when I got the quote, someone that worked there said that the price sounded about right.
The previous mechanic already had a look at the cams he said that they had dropped and didn't look good. The car has been sitting in the driveway for awhile, been trying to get money together to do something for it. Still not sure if it's worth it though
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: 2004_156_Ti on October 11, 2017, 11:28:44 AM
What are the details of the car?,ie colour,trans,etc,etc.

Trans= manual
it has all power options (front/rear windows, seats, etc) all working, no sunroof though.

redbook has more details on it:

https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/research/used/details/2004-alfa-romeo-156-ti-manual-my04/SPOT-ITM-205772
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: V AR 164 on October 11, 2017, 12:19:13 PM
Ouch, 7k is really steep on a car that you will definitely not get your money back if you decide to sell it.

Also, a second hand engine is all well and good, but you don't know how well it has been maintained and may develop the same issue as your current motor.

Sell the car as a whole or part it out and cut your looses.

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers, Andrew.
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: 2004_156_Ti on October 14, 2017, 02:46:08 PM
After stewing over it for a long time I think I will sell my car. :-\ Since you guys have been very helpful with your suggestions and advice I thought I'd offer it here on this forum first.

Below are photos, registration details (Yes it's parked at this address. Its registered till December, you can check on Ezyreg) and a quote of the problems discovered. Odometer has 172k, the body and interior are in good condition, wheels seem decent too. If you want more general info on the car redbook.com.au has it here: https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/research/used/details/2004-alfa-romeo-156-ti-manual-my04/SPOT-ITM-205772

I paid $2000 for the car. If someone is feeling generous it'd be nice to recoup this. You may contact me by phone/text 0403 844 617 or private message through the forum (haven't used this before, not sure how it works).

Once again thanks to everyone, I still love Alfas and hope to own one again someday.

Alex Rogovik.
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: warsch on November 28, 2017, 05:13:52 PM
I'm wondering why the second hand engine is so expensive in the quote. I've seen complete running cars going for under 2000 in QLD and engines as cheap as 800. Heck, I got my '02 156 twin spark cheaper than 3000 and it's in decent condition.
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: 2004_156_Ti on November 15, 2018, 03:49:57 PM
I'm wondering why the second hand engine is so expensive in the quote. I've seen complete running cars going for under 2000 in QLD and engines as cheap as 800. Heck, I got my '02 156 twin spark cheaper than 3000 and it's in decent condition.

the mechanic looked deep into my eyes and said, "i know a guy and he'll get you a good motor" later on i asked what sort of warranty i got on parts and labor, he said the standard 3 month warranty   ???
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: bazzbazz on November 15, 2018, 10:43:00 PM
3 month warranty for parts from wreckers IS standard. (well it is here in Queensland)

And Warsch is right, if the $3,000 is just for the second hand motor alone, it's bloody outrageous no matter how good it is.

Just my personal opinion.
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: Pseudonym on November 18, 2018, 12:27:57 AM
Uh yeah, for 7k just rebuild the jts already in there... Probably not at that workshop though...

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Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: Tornado20 on November 26, 2018, 10:30:22 PM
Sold your car yet ?

Looking around ebay 156 Ti parts seem to be selling for a premium.
Title: Re: Any Advice For This New Alfa Owner
Post by: 2004_156_Ti on June 06, 2019, 02:15:29 PM
Sold your car yet ?

Looking around ebay 156 Ti parts seem to be selling for a premium.

No it's still sitting in the driveway if you are interested text me on 0403 844 617