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Title: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Martin S on January 02, 2015, 03:36:44 PM
As others have mentioned 235/40x19 tires are available from only a few manufacturers and are extremely pricey. After seeing discussions and chatting to one or two people I thought I'd try the 245/40x19 option on my 159TI TBI sedan. After shopping around I took my car to Motorsport Wheels & Tyres in Dandenong Sth, Vic late December and bought set of Kumho KU39 245/40x19 98Y for under $200/tyre fitted and balanced. Have only done few 100k's since but found them immediately much, much quieter and somewhat softer riding than ContiSports that were fitted as standard (which, incidentally wore out after 30,000ks of mostly easy and occasionaly moderate driving). No fouling of the wheel wells on full lock or over rough roads. I haven't had the car fully loaded since changing to these tyres (rarely is) but will be travelling 2 up with luggage to Qld and back from Melbourne over January so if no problems by end of that trip will have problem recommending this solution...
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Spiderman JP on January 22, 2015, 08:56:20 AM
Same tyres as on my Spider, fantastic tyres......
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: blueblood1995 on January 26, 2015, 10:24:21 PM
Why the Kuhmos? Were they recommended by Motorsport as a quieter ride? Did they comment on wear?
I currently have the factory fit Pirelli Zero Neros and will be keen to see what others have to say on the "durability" of a select range of tyres for the "heavy" 159.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on January 26, 2015, 11:05:58 PM
Yep -- I want to stick with PZero Nero (maybe GT) but there is usually much more competitive pricing with the 245s shared with HSVs than the 235s shared with Aston Martin.  But I don't want cheaper tyres at the expense of relining the wheelarches.  Following with interest.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Martin S on January 29, 2015, 10:16:56 AM
Thanks for your interest. Have just done 3,500km over 3 weeks over all kinds of roads including the appalling Pacific Highway north of Kempsey to the Gold Coast in both directions without a problem. Hit couple of huge pot holes on that section at some speed which bottomed out the suspension on to the bump stops front & back with no wheel arch fouling trouble at all. Drove for over over an hour in monsoonal rain on the freeway around Coffs Harbour (large nos. of motorists pulling off the road due lack of visibility & flooding) hitting sizeable patches of standing water and felt totally secure. Again can only repeat how much quieter & softer riding they are. At this stage have no problem recommending these tyres although can't comment on wear at this stage (nothing really noticeable after 4,000+ km though which is more than 10% of what I got from those Continentals...).
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: oz3litre on April 10, 2015, 11:58:29 PM
245/40/19 is definitely the way to go. They are far cheaper and you get a wide choice of brands. I had a set of the new Pirelli P1 Cinturatos fitted by Kmart, with lifetime free rotation for $287 each and we are very pleased with them. They give a much more comfortable and quieter ride than the PZero Neros and Contis that were on the car when we got it. They have done 30,222km so far, with little noticeable wear, so we are more than happy.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: emdalziel on May 04, 2015, 10:43:12 PM
My experience with a Q4 is that on standard springs and with Eibach Pro-Kit springs fitted there are no problems with rubbing. The Eibachs give a similar lack of ground clearance to the Ti springs. The car came on Federal Formoza tyres that the previous owner fitted in place of the P Zeros. I went back to 235/40/19 PZero Neros and had slightly better grip than the Federals. I'm now running 245/40/19 Hankook Ventus Evo 2 S1 K117. With spirited driving and a mix of -2 and then -1 degrees of negative camber, I wore through the inside edges of the fronts pretty quickly. I've fitted another two last Friday. They come in at $249 each fitted from Jax. They are probably on the soft side for most tastes, but I feel they are consequently give a fair bit more grip than the Pirellis.

The 245/40/19 tyres also cancel out the speedo error in the pre-Ti Q4. So the odometer reads low now. 
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on November 18, 2015, 08:33:03 AM
I've now had a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 fitted in 245/40/19; made in Germany and OE for Porsche 911.  Maybe I'm insensitive to tyres but I can't detect much difference from the PZero Neros in 235 as far as handling and ride goes.  The steering is possibly slightly heavier but that 's in comparison to how it was with scrubbed out fronts. 

The new ones are 98Y rated so guessing that even if the (indiscernibly) taller sidewalls might have offered more flex, that's been cancelled out by the stiffer construction.

Apparently it's in the wet that the Eagle F1s offer the most gains, but my Pirellis were fine in the wet anyway.

$889 in a three for the price of four deal incl. fitting at Goodyear Autocare in Croydon.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on November 18, 2015, 09:51:43 AM
I currently have the factory fit Pirelli Zero Neros and will be keen to see what others have to say on the "durability" of a select range of tyres for the "heavy" 159.

My OE PZero Neros have needed replacement for about the past three years according to everyone who's serviced the car (and who sell tyres).  Finally replaced them at 27500km which according to the shop is "pretty normal" for 19 inch wheels, though having committed to the replacement they seemed to think the Pirellis weren't in the worst shape at the rear.  Going up to 245 had to change them all anyway. 

I think I'd possibly be happier with 18 inch Ti wheels.

BTW -- the OE 17 inch CSC3s on the front of my Benz are at 70000km.  I have replacement CSC5s sitting in the garage but no need to fit them yet.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: oz3litre on November 18, 2015, 10:34:20 AM
$889 in a three for the price of four deal incl. fitting at Goodyear Autocare in Croydon.
You did well on the price. Our 245/40/19 Pirelli Cinturato P1s have now done 40,000km and according to Kmart, will last another 10,000km before we need to replace them. I got the free lifetime 10,000 km rotation and balance deal with the tyres and I am sure that has helped. I will definitely get the same tyres again. That is the best mileage I have got out of any tyres on any car I have ever owned from memory.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on December 17, 2015, 12:02:32 PM
Beaurepaires are also doing a 'three for the price of four' deal on Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 at the moment.

Very happy with mine.  Massive grip, comfortable ride and can confirm owner reviews that rate them as outstanding in the wet.  Recommended.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on February 08, 2016, 10:21:03 PM
...and just keeping this topic bubbling along, I should point out that the biggest problem with finding tyres for the 159Ti is reconciling price with rating.  There are tyres available that are both quality and priced right, but not necessarily at or above 96Y rated.  I understand you can discuss this with your insurer (and who drives at 300km/h anyway?) but the car doesn't suddenly weigh less and 96Y is what it came with from the factory, so your policy may demand this.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: bazzbazz on February 09, 2016, 01:04:11 AM
(and who drives at 300km/h anyway?)

Well for my birthday once I did hire a Porsche 911 Turbo and hit the 300kmh mark on a downward slope on the Ipswich bypass . . . . . scared the f@*k out of me when I noticed the speedo !!   :o

Baz
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on February 23, 2016, 04:19:42 PM
http://www.motormag.com.au/features/1601/how-to-do-300kmh-on-a-public-road/ (http://www.motormag.com.au/features/1601/how-to-do-300kmh-on-a-public-road/)
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: blueblood1995 on May 13, 2016, 02:31:10 PM
Now in the market for a set of 4 for my 2010 JTD Ti.
Replacing the OEM Pirelli Zero Nero GTs after just 40k.
Inside front wear no issue after having the alignment sorted. Great even wear across width.

Research so far...
Recommendation from several tyre dealers in 235/40 has been the Michelin Pilot Super Sport.
Class leading grip in dry and excellent wet weather traction.
Wear is outstanding for a performance tyre.
Good reviews on www.tyrereview.co.uk.
$390 per tyre best I can find.

Conti Sport Contact 3s @ $405 (although they have a 4 for 3 offer at the mo)

Bridgestone S001s @ $445 (the family wagon, 2006 Subaru Liberty 3.0, always clad in Bridgestone Potenza's due to great wear @ typically 60k to 70k but price is offputting)

Pirelli P Zero Nero GTs @ $385 (out of stock nationwide, Pirelli not expecting stock for at least another 3 months ALSO better tyres available for money ???)

Pirelli P7 Cinturatos @ $320

This sounds silly but it didn't feel right putting anything but Italian rubber on my beloved but having researched there are clearly better value-for-money tyres available and so it makes sense to find an alternative from the OEM... (or NOT depending on who you talk too?)

First question based purely on appearance (since the 159 is a thing of beauty not to be ruined by a terrible set of "shoes"!)
How do the 245/40s look on the rim in terms of height and width?
Assuming increased sidewall is not noticeable (4mm increase ??) BUT what about the width? Is the line from tyre to rim still "clean"?

Second question... what about the speedo?

I've always been a bit of stickler for running correct sizes. Hoping others can allay any fears.

Thanks to all in advance!
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Australia on May 13, 2016, 04:16:17 PM
Pirelli is now Chinese owned.

I'd go for the Contis for the 4 for 3 offer.  I have the R18s on mine - good grip.

Pirelli P Zero came 4th in the Motor tyre test this month.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on May 26, 2016, 05:40:35 PM
Today it is raining in Melbourne.  I can tell you the wet weather grip of the Eagle F1s is phenomenal.  I find I am uncharacteristically driving my 159 much harder with the new rubber (because I can) and the rain makes no difference.  Very different to the PZero Neros.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: blueblood1995 on May 26, 2016, 07:28:33 PM
Today it is raining in Melbourne.  I can tell you the wet weather grip of the Eagle F1s is phenomenal.  I find I am uncharacteristically driving my 159 much harder with the new rubber (because I can) and the rain makes no difference.  Very different to the PZero Neros.

Had the new 245/40 19 Conti Sport Contact 6s fitted at JAX Tyres, Preston this afternoon.
Of course a quieter and more compliant ride was immediately noticeable and after a quick sprint on the Eastern Fwy in the rain I could tell the Contis were more sure footed than the Pirellis ever wear. Unsure why? Perhaps more recent technology, a different groove pattern, the Conti reputation for wet weather performance, a different rubber compound or all of the above?

$885 for x4 incl. fitting.

What I'm most interested in now is how well these will wear in comparison to the Pirellis.

Stay tuned! I'll be back in a year or two!
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on May 30, 2016, 03:12:32 PM
Quote from: blueblood1995
$885 for x4 incl. fitting.
That is within $4 of what I paid!  I just can't understand people shelling out $1300> on a set of rubber when with some shopping around there are the highest quality tyres to be found at very reasonable prices.  Problem is that the websites that are supposed to deliver that service come up with the $1300> options.

eBay can be even cheaper of course (and delivery always next day freighted overnight Sydney-Melbourne from my experience).  There is of course the obligatory whinge from the tyre fitter, but the problem is that he quotes too high as well, and he doesn't have the time to scour eBay for bargains.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Colin Edwards on October 24, 2016, 11:31:42 AM
There was a blue 159 on display at the Lygon Street Festival yesterday - is the owner out there?. 
Car was fitted with 19" wheels and 245/35 tyres.
I didn't get a chance to chat with owner.
No dramas fitting these tyres to standard(?) 19" wheels?
Are the wheels fitted to this car the "standard" 159 Ti 19" width.
I'm investigating the possibility of fitting 245/35 tyres on my 159 Ti in lieu of the standard 235/40.

Regards,
Colin
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on October 26, 2016, 01:28:08 PM
There are better tyres around than the PZero Nero.  The Michelin PSS is clearly a superior tyre performance wise (possibly outperforming the car...).  It's also priced at a premium generally and anecdotally wears faster.  My compromise was to consider PS3s (so nearly bought these).  I've had Continental CSC3 and CSC5 on other cars -- the former were often fitted new to the Ti and my experiences with both have been excellent. 

Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 is another OEM choice for the Ti.  I can't recommend them highly enough.  I was offered 245/35 but the sidewalls are narrow enough already for mine. 

As for the 245/40 fitment, as per this thread there is no reason not to fit them.  I think I actually prefer them! 

Now -- as it happens I did happen to put a dent in my rear wheelarch and the metal DID foul on the sidewall (just).  Possibly would have happened with 235s anyway...  I reached under and pulled it out.  No issue.  And now fixed!!

I'll post a photo so you can make up your own mind about the aesthetic.  Remember we are talking 10mm of tread and about 3mm of additional diameter. 

(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r502/kaleu1963/131f5ee8-2e8e-437c-80a6-e5587f92af1a.jpg)
[EDIT: Photobucket is playing up so PM me your email Colin and I can send you more.  The tyre does not extend beyond the metal.]

After much research I'm very happy with my 245s and I wouldn't pay any extra for 235s.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Domenic on October 26, 2016, 03:02:42 PM

Bought a set of Conti CSC3 in the correct 235/40/19 96Y a few weeks ago for my wife's Ti $320ea, which i thought was pretty decent and correct for the car.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Colin Edwards on October 27, 2016, 08:12:22 PM
PM sent
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on August 18, 2017, 12:38:32 PM
Reviving an old topic, but once again I have been the recipient of some superb service from one of "the cousins" in Sydney. 

This time it's Tempe Tyres who delivered new widepack rear rubber for my Benz to Melbourne within 24 hours of order.  Conti Premium Contact 6 in Y-rating for $209 each.  Made in France during April.   Buying via eBay rather than their website meant free delivery too. 

Didn't know that CSC5 had been superseded.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Continental/Premium-Contact-6.htm (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Continental/Premium-Contact-6.htm)

They don't have these to fit the 159 ti at present, and my Eagle F1s will be probably be good for another six years.  When the time comes though I know where to look.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Australia on August 19, 2017, 09:10:48 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on September 08, 2017, 05:52:36 PM
Interesting that when I purchased my Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2s there was some prior correspondence regarding the (very important to me) origin of the tyres.  As with most things automotive, "GERMANY" is the correct answer! ;D

Goodyear in Croydon seems to have remembered our exchange in promoting 245/40/19 98Y rubber in Asymmetric 3:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Goodyear-245-40R19-98Y-XL-F1-Asymmetric-3-GERMANY-245-40-19-FREE-FITTING/172385222745?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D46669%26meid%3Da6582cf5d031403ab06c9890e0fbb90a%26pid%3D100678%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D9%26sd%3D182748978868&_trksid=p2481888.c100678.m3607&_trkparms=pageci%253Ac1599564-9469-11e7-9f0f-74dbd1806f8a%257Cparentrq%253A6073dc4815e0a860e6de6739fffeb5f0%257Ciid%253A1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Goodyear-245-40R19-98Y-XL-F1-Asymmetric-3-GERMANY-245-40-19-FREE-FITTING/172385222745?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D46669%26meid%3Da6582cf5d031403ab06c9890e0fbb90a%26pid%3D100678%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D9%26sd%3D182748978868&_trksid=p2481888.c100678.m3607&_trkparms=pageci%253Ac1599564-9469-11e7-9f0f-74dbd1806f8a%257Cparentrq%253A6073dc4815e0a860e6de6739fffeb5f0%257Ciid%253A1)
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Winno on September 12, 2017, 01:30:57 PM
FWIW, I had similar issues finding 235/40/19 in correct speed rating that were sensibly priced.
I fitted some 245/40/19 - Hankook Ventus S1 EVO2. These cost me $880 fitted, balanced and aligned to my spec from my local Euro mechanic. They were very highly recommended by the VW/Audi chaps who did my stage 1 tune.
They are very quiet (in fact, about the quietest tyre I have ever used), grip very well in dry and wet, and wear very well indeed.

I had considered Pirelli again but my friend runs some on his car and he got just over 20k km on them before he had to replace them. He did say they grip better than the Hankooks but, they are noisier and much softer.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: blueblood1995 on September 12, 2017, 02:53:38 PM
Now in the market for a set of 4 for my 2010 JTD Ti.
Replacing the OEM Pirelli Zero Nero GTs after just 40k.
Inside front wear no issue after having the alignment sorted. Great even wear across width.

Research so far...
Recommendation from several tyre dealers in 235/40 has been the Michelin Pilot Super Sport.
Class leading grip in dry and excellent wet weather traction.
Wear is outstanding for a performance tyre.
Good reviews on www.tyrereview.co.uk.
$390 per tyre best I can find.

Conti Sport Contact 3s @ $405 (although they have a 4 for 3 offer at the mo)

Bridgestone S001s @ $445 (the family wagon, 2006 Subaru Liberty 3.0, always clad in Bridgestone Potenza's due to great wear @ typically 60k to 70k but price is offputting)

Pirelli P Zero Nero GTs @ $385 (out of stock nationwide, Pirelli not expecting stock for at least another 3 months ALSO better tyres available for money ???)

Pirelli P7 Cinturatos @ $320

This sounds silly but it didn't feel right putting anything but Italian rubber on my beloved but having researched there are clearly better value-for-money tyres available and so it makes sense to find an alternative from the OEM... (or NOT depending on who you talk too?)

First question based purely on appearance (since the 159 is a thing of beauty not to be ruined by a terrible set of "shoes"!)
How do the 245/40s look on the rim in terms of height and width?
Assuming increased sidewall is not noticeable (4mm increase ??) BUT what about the width? Is the line from tyre to rim still "clean"?

Second question... what about the speedo?

I've always been a bit of stickler for running correct sizes. Hoping others can allay any fears.

Thanks to all in advance!

Conti Sport Contact 6s replaced just the other day after only 26k. Won't be purchasing Contis again but as I've been told by some Contis are generally softer and designed for "better " European roads.
Replaced with the Pirelli Dragon Sport still in a 245/40 R19. $250 per tyre from Bridgestone.
Will be interesting to see how these "designed for Asia/Australia market" tyres hold up.
Regards
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on September 14, 2017, 02:58:03 PM
I used to be an "Alfa must have Pirellis" adherent.  Just doesn't make sense following experiences with PZero Nero and Rosso.  Glad to see the end of Selenia too, just quietly.

For me it'll always be Michelin / Continental / Pirelli / Goodyear (+ Metzeler for two-wheelers) though.  Next week I'll get around to having my CPC6s fitted to the wagon.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: torquemeister on November 23, 2017, 10:02:37 PM
I fitted Michelin PS4s (correct size 235/40/19") here in Australia and find them rather noisy. So when I had to replace my Michelin PSS on my Brera in Singapore I fitted the new Pirelli P Zero 4s (also correct size - I paid the premium as the 245/40s look waaay too big in those arches even though Ive had them in the past).

Ive read road tests that the PZ4s are line ball with the PS4s in wet and dry but the big difference is that Pirelli worked on road noise and the results are amazing (apparently dB lower by 3 db). So in summary I prefer the PZ4 over the PS4 based on noise. Both have excellent road holding (wet roadholding is critical in Sodden Singapore).

Cheers
Simon
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on November 25, 2017, 10:33:02 AM
(wet roadholding is critical in Sodden Singapore).
Have you been playing up on the PIE, Simon?  I'm not sure I've ever shifted into fourth in SG...

My Conti CPC6s are now fitted on my Benz and suit the car perfectly as they are unnoticeable.  No noise, no harshness, no issues in the wet or under cornering / braking.  They just do the job.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Colin Edwards on December 02, 2017, 11:09:36 AM
Well after more 40,000klm of use I've finally had to replace the P Zero Nero's. 
Opted for these new Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 235/40/19.  Early days yet and comparing them to 2 year old and very tired Pirellis is academic, however they are definately noisier!   On the hand they seem to be a bit more communicative.  Wet weather performance also seems a bit better to what I remember the Pirellis were like when new.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: JimB on December 12, 2017, 10:59:45 PM
Hi All, My 08/09 159 JTS Ti Sedan 2.2 six speed is almost ready for its third set of tyres. The original owner replaced the first set of Pirellis at 20,000km at a cost of nearly $2,000-!! On the second set, now Pirelli Cinturato P7, I might just get to 45,000km. So at an average of about 22,000km per set I wonder what we are paying for in Australia. It obviously isn't durability. Goodness know what tyre life Europeans would get at motorway speeds. My 159 has probably never seen 130kph.  I will at changeover time not be paying $400/tyre. The Kumho option sounds like a proposition to me. Is that 245 size on the tyre placard and if not would the wider tyre be legal and acceptable to the insurer? Jim
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on December 13, 2017, 11:12:10 PM
The tyres might run faster on Euro motorways Jim, but the road surfaces in general are much better than in Australia.  I can't remember ever needing new tyres!

I had P7s on my 2.2 159 because I wouldn't shell out for PZero Nero.  I thought they were good but I sold the car well before they needed replacement. 

Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: JimB on January 04, 2018, 06:40:39 AM
Hi All, Just FYI. After much research of my own in Adelaide  I decided to buy Pirelli Cinturato P7's, 235. These were fitted, balanced & aligned for $1312- at BJTM, Gouger St Adel. The main reason for my choice was to avoid any disappointment with possible harshness, from scalloping on cheap tyres or a conflict with the insurance co over the larger 245 size, which do have a different diameter. In the end I figured that despite the short life I'd stick with the known quantity for the sake of perhaps a couple of hundred dollars. Jim
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Skypilot on January 04, 2018, 11:04:27 PM
On my Brera I replaced the stock 235/45/18 with 245/40/18. Tyres are Michelin Pilot Sport 4... Can I take a moment to say how amazing these tyres are. Very grippy, very quiet, and very comfortable. Just waiting for the test of time now on longevity.

One disadvantage I noticed with getting wider tyres is that the extra 5mm that sticks out of the fender (front tyres), whilst small, seems to kick more dirt onto the bottom corner of the car. I've noticed since installing the tyres that there are more chips a day scratches in that area... And while there's the plastic sticker protecting it, there are exposed areas of paint which were chipped for the first time. I was shocked as I've never had chips there. Anyway I'll keep watch and may have to add more clear vinyl if it persists.


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Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Winno on January 12, 2018, 11:06:17 AM
I'm with Skypilot on going 245s.
Saved me many dollars and I cannot see ANY drawback.
I went Hankook Ventus S1 Evo2 on my Ti.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: gbymb on October 19, 2018, 10:56:25 AM
Kuhmo 245/40 r19. I put these on my 2.4 TI and they're fine if you don't put heavy things in the boot...unfortunately. They're nice and quiet, but I'm going to have to look at how to get a little bit more clearance in the tail. BTW I've still got the Pzeros on the front. about 10K left on them. anyone got some adjustable shocks they'd like to sell? :-)
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Micheloaks on September 27, 2020, 08:28:39 AM
As per my intro post Friday, fitted Michelin PS4ís , mainly by lack of choice and time, compounded By the necessity to complete rego/plate changeover by C.O.B . They replaced the Hankook Ventus 245 40 19ís  , $1435 fitted balanced . No one offering  4-4-3 deal.

The Hankooks were by measuring the tread Block depth, approx 20% worn. Though all 4 inside edges scrubbed. I replaced Lower control arms , on purchasing car and prior to tyre swap. I might look at swapping over bushes to poly
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Stu159 on October 05, 2020, 12:47:44 AM
I got sick of replacing tyres from inner wear and arguing with tyre places about camber and hearing that their guy had been fitting tyres for decades, so he knew better, only to revisit inner edge tyre wear. That was when each tyre was over $400 and there were limited options for the R18. I replaced all bushes with poly' and have never had a problem or had to replace a set of tyres since. That was x 3-4 years ago, but I do less than x 5000k annually. I'm on Pirelli Cinturato and they hang on really well, no noticeable noise from the tyres, but the poly bushes aren't exactly quiet. Big improvement on handling from the poly bushes though. Once the OEM ones got to about 80-90000k, the car didn't handle as well, but the poly bushes changed that. Mine are Powerflex from about 2017, but there have been upgrades since

Stu
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: torquemeister on November 13, 2020, 05:20:28 PM
Ive had both 245/40 and 235/35 on both Breras Ive owned. Fitted to the Prodrive S rims. You wont have a problem with the wheel arch liners but theres been a lot of comments about inner tyre wear. I had this in the past but since last wheel alignment (which was done to the Prodrive Brera S spec - not standard setup) wear is minimised.
AlfaOwner has a lot of discussion about this. It seems that 0 Toe-In is the way to go on these cars to offset this issue. My car has the full Prodrive suspension setup (lowered like the TI but with revised Bilstein shocks and coils.
Ive used both P Zeros and Michelin Pilot Super Sport. both excellent tyres but soft compound meaning early wear. The Micheline PSS in my opinion are noisier than the PZS tyres and I will revert to Pirelli next changeover.
Here in Tassie its about AWD, slimy uneven icy roads so will not compromise on handling and safety for a little more wear.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on December 04, 2020, 08:44:34 PM
Zero toe-in a must.

Looking for a new set now, and Pilot Super Sport seems very reasonably priced for something "fitted to Ferrari 599".  I gather the trade-off is that they won't last!  Does anyone have an actual mileage figure for these on a 159??

Otherwise it'll be more Eagle F1s, but v.5 or 3 in lieu of the v.2s on the car.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: soakk on December 16, 2020, 02:53:46 PM
Recently swapped out a hodge podge of 245/40 R19 on my 159 Ti to 235/45 R19 Dunlop SP Sport Maxx 050. Amazing difference. Car feels much more responsive. I definitely recommend sticking to 235 measurement. 245/40 is definitely cheaper, but to me the difference was very noticeable in this car.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Maltalfisti on December 29, 2020, 09:03:51 PM
I have the Kumho's too and no problem after 13,000kms.

From what I understand (don't quote me) they are like a cheaper version of Pirellis. So, not quite so good of course, but better than many others.

They take me around the roundabouts down this way, in the wet, at a good speed. Just saying...  ;D

How often do you folks find yourself pumping up your tyres?
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Alfatango on January 08, 2021, 04:42:36 PM
I got the Hankook Ventus S1 EVOs and am very happy with them. The performance is more than adequate for the road and the road noise is really low.

Next set I want to try the Michellin PS4s though.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Maltalfisti on January 15, 2021, 11:23:20 PM
If I go in to get my wheels re-balanced soon, would it be worth asking them to swap the tyres around from front to back, and vice versa?
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Craig_m67 on January 16, 2021, 09:55:17 AM
If I go in to get my wheels re-balanced soon, would it be worth asking them to swap the tyres around from front to back, and vice versa?

All manufacturers recommend rotating car tyres regularly to maximise their usefulness, including Alfa.
I am sure the tyre place would be the experts in this, maybe ask them and let us know what they say.

Hopefully it will be useful info, and not biased towards just selling you something new
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Maltalfisti on January 27, 2021, 10:16:40 PM
Good point, thanks. I'll give them a ring tomorrow...  8)
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on January 28, 2021, 11:48:58 PM
Alternatively, if you are happy with the tyres you already have on your 159, you can just buy new tyres two at a time... :D   If the new ones go on the front, you're rotating them (kind of) anyway.  The 'problem' is when they all wear evenly like mine do.

I can't rotate the tyres on my Mercedes, but I can tell you this: both fronts and rears are a lot cheaper than 159 rubber.  Try $112 delivered for a Conti CSC5 (OE) front.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Craig_m67 on January 29, 2021, 09:17:44 AM
Why canít you rotate (different sizes and rotational?)

That said, Iíve managed to rotate a set of tyres only once in 35yr motoring (lazy, no impact gun)
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: bonno on January 29, 2021, 10:37:46 AM
In regards to tyre rotation donít be like me and couldnít be bothered as my recent experience with my 156 JTS resulted in nearly getting stranded with a flat tyre caused by wear on inner edge (out of sight out of mind). Anyway all good replaced both fronts with Pirelli Dragon sport 215/45R17 91wXL and front wheel alignment for $400.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: bazzbazz on January 29, 2021, 01:09:33 PM
caused by wear on inner edge

This would indicate your Front Upper Arms need replacing.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: bonno on January 29, 2021, 01:34:08 PM
Thanks Baz,  I will make a point to check it out, as the tyre place did not mention anything.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on January 29, 2021, 05:24:44 PM
Why canít you rotate (different sizes and rotational?)
Yes (widepack) and no.  Interestingly the spare is a full size alloy front, so it can go on the rear and on either side.

My Alfa does have rotational tyres.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Maltalfisti on February 27, 2021, 03:00:07 PM
In regards to tyre rotation donít be like me and couldnít be bothered as my recent experience with my 156 JTS resulted in nearly getting stranded with a flat tyre caused by wear on inner edge (out of sight out of mind). Anyway all good replaced both fronts with Pirelli Dragon sport 215/45R17 91wXL and front wheel alignment for $400.
Good price, I was once quoted $1200 for all four Pirellis - but that was for the 19" Ti.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Alfatango on February 27, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
This guy is in Sandringham and has good second hand tyres available. He installs them with you car on jack stands and no wheel alignment if not needed but you could pay less with cash as there are no eBay fees.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/235-40-19-PIRELLI-P7-CINTURATO-X2-TYRES-90-TREAD-/284149248702?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/235-40-19-BRIDGESTONE-POTENZA-S001-X2-TYRES-80-TREAD-/284149304351?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292


https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/235-40-19-PIRELLI-CINTURATO-P7-X2-TYRES-75-TREAD-/284182411335?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292

If you get the Bridgestone than this is 65 bucks from Geelong

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/235-40-R19-96W-Bridgestone-Potenza-S001-Tyre-/224254960918?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on February 27, 2021, 07:20:22 PM
Just remember diameter + aspect ratio + tread width is not the total equation.  The other very important bit is "98Y" or higher.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Alfatango on March 23, 2021, 11:52:24 AM
I got the Hankook Ventus S1 EVOs and am very happy with them.

Recently replaced the front 2 for Pirellis p7 and they are a class above. Much stickier, more feedback through the steering wheel and more responsive to inputs. Wet performance very good as well.

Got a screw through one of the fronts with the hankook so decided to replace the spare wheel so if it happens at a hill climb than I can still finish the day.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Stu159 on April 06, 2021, 08:19:03 PM
I agree with you there Tango. I've had Pirellis for several years and always liked them. I had to replace all x 4 tyres and I came across a deal on Gumtree that had my wheels & Bridgestones with about 90% tread as a deal. I had a fair bit of gutter rash on my wheels from x 12 + years of ownership, so I did the deal. I used to like the car when I first bought it as demo and it had Bridgestones then. Having just had them all replaced, balanced and wheel alignment done I can say they aren't even close to the Pirellis, when it comes to connecting with the road. They hang on, but the smooth, sticky traction & feedback has gone. I'm definitely going back to Pirellis

Stu
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Alfatango on July 05, 2021, 03:16:37 PM
I just tried some Continental Conti Sport Contact 5 and they are pretty good with a nice softer compound and good grip levels. But a lot of road noise for daily driving.

I also tried the Bridgestone Potenzas S001 and am not a fan. They feel like a much harder compound and also have a lot of road noise. Grip levels pretty good.

So far I liked the Pirelli p7 the most as they great road tyres but arent great for any motorsport for more than 1 event. The hankook ventus evo had less grip than the Continentals and also way less road noise.

Also a few people have recommended to go up to the 245/40/19s as you have more tyre and they are usually around $150 to $100 cheaper than the 235/40/19.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on July 06, 2021, 06:20:32 PM
Given they were delivered for under $100ea., I bought another pair of CSC5s for my Mercedes.  I suspect I will never need them.  I've never run these on an Alfa but agree they are brilliant tyres.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: MattK on July 16, 2021, 01:20:19 PM
Thinking I might go Michelin Pilot Sport 4 for my 159 Ti TBi (stock rims) unless someone has a better idea? I think the going rate is about $300 a corner for the 245/40 R19 98Y and there's a $100 Michelin rebate for 4. Any better options? My priorities are grip, quiet, durability in that order.
I'm confused by the post about CSC5s delivered under $100, I presume that's a smaller/more common size?
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: bazzbazz on July 16, 2021, 05:04:42 PM
Given they were delivered for under $100ea., I bought another pair of CSC5s for my Mercedes.  I suspect I will never need them.  I've never run these on an Alfa but agree they are brilliant tyres.

So just WHERE did you get them for under $100???  ???

It's what I ran on my 156 till they were superseded by the CSC6
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on July 16, 2021, 09:28:42 PM
Continental 225/45R17 91Y ContiSportContact 5

https://www.ebay.com.au/usr/rolan-australia (https://www.ebay.com.au/usr/rolan-australia)
$232 for the pair, but then had one of those 'get more money off' things you add at checkout. 

So $197.20 for two, with free delivery.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Alfatango on July 18, 2021, 10:35:36 AM
Thinking I might go Michelin Pilot Sport 4 for my 159 Ti TBi (stock rims) unless someone has a better idea? I think the going rate is about $300 a corner for the 245/40 R19 98Y and there's a $100 Michelin rebate for 4. Any better options? My priorities are grip, quiet, durability in that order.
I'm confused by the post about CSC5s delivered under $100, I presume that's a smaller/more common size?

Yeah that's what I want to do or the 4s at some point in the 245/40/19
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on July 18, 2021, 08:18:16 PM
We could go for a bulk buy, but know I baulk around the $900 mark.  Hence happy to buy and stockpile.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: MattK on July 21, 2021, 05:23:40 PM
Well after assuming Bob Jane would rip me off, they ended up being the cheapest (other places had similar prices but then tacked on $200 for delivery at checkout). I got a quote for set of 4 x 245/40ZR19 98Y for $1080 fitted. Since the previous owner had fitted junk Chinese made tyres (presumably because he didn't intend to keep the car) I am really looking forward to the difference.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on July 22, 2021, 08:37:51 PM
That is a phenomenon I will never understand, and it happens a lot.  If the used car I am looking at is fitted with Wind Harmony Excellar GTs, the first thing I'll do is factor the cost of a set of 'proper' replacement tyres and inject that price reduction into the negotiation.  More likely is I'll wonder what quality oil is in the engine?  And I walk away...
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: bazzbazz on July 22, 2021, 09:54:46 PM
More likely is I'll wonder what quality oil is in the engine?

Chinese oil?  ???
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on July 23, 2021, 07:16:44 PM
http://www.sinopec.com/listco/en/products_service/lubricants/auto_lube/gasoline_eng_o/20161114/news_20161114_369168539161.shtml (http://www.sinopec.com/listco/en/products_service/lubricants/auto_lube/gasoline_eng_o/20161114/news_20161114_369168539161.shtml)
Could be fine for all I know.

Just found out Junior has fitted a set of Nankang semi-slicks to his road-going track car.  Aren't these known as "ditchfinders" over on alfaowner??
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: bazzbazz on July 23, 2021, 08:44:49 PM
Just found out Junior has fitted a set of Nankang semi-slicks to his road-going track car.  Aren't these known as "ditchfinders" over on alfaowner??

Again, "What could possibly go wrong?"  ::)
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Pseudonym on July 25, 2021, 11:51:36 PM

Just found out Junior has fitted a set of Nankang semi-slicks to his road-going track car.  Aren't these known as "ditchfinders" over on alfaowner??

Mate has run Nankang ARs before and did very well for the $, they did go hard fairly quickly though. Generally people who run semi slicks on the streets naturally gravitate towards ditches no matter the tire....

FWIW my set of Pilot Sport 4S on the 159ti have about 50% left on the fronts, 90% on the rears after 20,000km. Front camber adjustment arms were done maybe 3000k ago, camber -0.50 . Fantastic tire, but I think the 159 weight just eats away at everything.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on July 26, 2021, 11:28:06 PM
If you can get 40,000km out of Pilot Sport 4s, I'm having them next.  That's over six years of motoring in my car...
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: MattK on July 28, 2021, 10:08:54 AM
fellas I'm sorry I let you down, I passed on the nitrogen inflation which was offered to me "because I drive around town a lot" ...
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: bazzbazz on July 28, 2021, 01:51:55 PM
fellas I'm sorry I let you down, I passed on the nitrogen inflation which was offered to me "because I drive around town a lot" ...

Huh?  ???
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: MattK on July 28, 2021, 08:59:09 PM
Yeah I got the pitch, "so do you mostly drive around town?" "Yes," I said. "So that means I'll probably fill these tyres with nitrogen then." "No thanks, I'm fine with regular air."
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Alfatango on August 01, 2021, 05:43:51 PM
I tried the Dunlop Sp Sport and they have high grip levels but are pretty hard and a fair bit of road noise.

So far I would say this is the order I have tried on the alfa:

1. Pirelli p7
2. Continental C5
3. Hankook Ventus Evo
4. Dunlop Sp Sport
5. Bridgestone Potenza S001

The back story is, I had a few wines during lock downs while watching endurance racing and got too trigger happy on ebay.

Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: bazzbazz on August 01, 2021, 05:56:50 PM
The back story is, I had a few wines during lock downs while watching endurance racing and got too trigger happy on ebay.

And also ordered way too much more wine?  ;D
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Alfatango on August 01, 2021, 07:19:05 PM
The back story is, I had a few wines during lock downs while watching endurance racing and got too trigger happy on ebay.

And also ordered way too much more wine?  ;D

Yeah its pretty good as wine takes up less space than old tyres ;D
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: MattK on August 02, 2021, 10:19:17 AM
Did about 650km across the weekend on generally good surfaces, the Michelins were quieter and absolutely sure footed compared to the crap tyres on there previously. Only a little rain to see how they were in the wet but it felt much the same as the dry. Very happy with them overall, made the driving quite relaxing in a way that felt completely in control.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Alfatango on August 02, 2021, 12:22:41 PM
Its amazing how much road noise affects the overall driving experience. Plus its easier to diagnose which alfa sound needs to be fixed now/later/or leave it ;D.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: MattK on August 02, 2021, 01:01:46 PM
Agreed, a HUGE difference.
Also at one point my partner said to me "is that our engine or someone else's that I can smell burning?" so I welcomed her to the mindset of the Alfa driver. (to be fair we were about 10km from the place where one of the hoses came unclipped from the turbo and we had to limp home for an hour and a half)
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: bazzbazz on August 02, 2021, 02:18:17 PM
"is that our engine or someone else's that I can smell burning?"

It's called "Deja Vu".  ;)
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: torquemeister on August 26, 2021, 01:51:56 PM
Did about 650km across the weekend on generally good surfaces, the Michelins were quieter and absolutely sure footed compared to the crap tyres on there previously. Only a little rain to see how they were in the wet but it felt much the same as the dry. Very happy with them overall, made the driving quite relaxing in a way that felt completely in control.
Hi Matt I had Michelin PSS fitted to my Prodrive 19" rims and replaced recently with P Zeros. We have a lot of coarse pitch roads ehre in Tassie and I can confirm that the P Zeros are much quieter than the Michelins.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Craig_m67 on August 26, 2021, 02:24:15 PM
If you can get 40,000km out of Pilot Sport 4s, I'm having them next.  That's over six years of motoring in my car...


I managed 36K km out of my last set of PS4ís.
I just put on a fresh set I was so impressed, lovely silent, #hangyontractiongivingthings, lovely

(You may get even more, as mine goes flat out everywhere and lives in D)
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on September 29, 2021, 06:09:57 PM
Having been informed my Eagle F1s are knackered (though EVERY mechanic that sells tyres tells me this at every visit...), I see that factoring a $100 cashback deal from Michelin I can get a set of four PS4s for $269 each from my local Bob Jane.  This is the same as what my 'go-to' supplier Tempe Tyres charges before freight, and I assume fitting at Bob Jane is free?

Anyone aware of a better deal?
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: MattK on October 01, 2021, 02:48:09 PM
That's pretty much exactly the deal I got. Be aware that the fitting is free but includes only wheel balancing, not wheel alignment which is ~$150 extra. I'm still very happy with the tyres.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: kaleuclint on October 02, 2021, 04:52:03 PM
That's pretty much exactly the deal I got. Be aware that the fitting is free but includes only wheel balancing, not wheel alignment which is ~$150 extra. I'm still very happy with the tyres.
Out of interest @MattK, what's the country of origin for your set?
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: MattK on October 14, 2021, 02:13:48 PM
Sorry for the delay - I think they were made in Malaysia but I'd have to check to be sure.
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: Alfatango on October 28, 2021, 05:51:23 PM
I tried the Dunlop Sp Sport and they have high grip levels but are pretty hard and a fair bit of road noise.

So far I would say this is the order I have tried on the alfa:

1. Pirelli p7
2. Continental C5
3. Hankook Ventus Evo
4. Dunlop Sp Sport
5. Bridgestone Potenza S001

The back story is, I had a few wines during lock downs while watching endurance racing and got too trigger happy on ebay.

I can definetelty recommend going 245/40/19!

Updated order:

1. Michelin PS4
2. Continental C6
3. Pirelli p7
4. Continental C5
5. Goodyear F1 directional
5. Hankook Ventus Evo
6. Dunlop Sp Sport
7. Bridgestone Potenza S001
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: MattK on November 01, 2021, 01:16:48 PM
A few months on I remain very very happy with the PS4 245/40/19s. Driving feels a lot more fluent and I haven't had a second of doubt that they would hold on, hard braking in the wet etc.
I suspect they may be wearing more quickly, but perhaps it's because the inner treads have very faint crosscuts even when new.
(https://images.cdn.circlesix.co/image/2/1200/630/5/uploads/posts/2017/02/6dc388dfafe5f29277447b9253e036db.jpg)
Title: Re: Tyres for 159TI 19"
Post by: MattK on November 04, 2021, 02:07:04 PM
also I remembered to check and they were made in Thailand, not Malaysia