Alfa Romeo Owners Club of Australia Forum proudly hosted by AROCA Victorian Division
January 10, 2009, 02:44:08 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News: Please edit your forum profile to set your AROCA State Division.  See this post for more information.
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register  
Pages: [1] 2
  Print  
Author Topic: Montreal F/S  (Read 1601 times)
Phil Baskett
Alfa2010
Hero Member
*
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 664



View Profile
« on: October 29, 2007, 04:23:05 PM »

Hi All,

I have had a guy contact me who is looking to sell his Montreal.

From what he tells me it is a very good example.  '74 model, original Green colour, around 60k original miles.  Was purchased from Tasmania as a good clean example back in the mid '80's, he ran it in the Grand Prix Rally in '88 & '90 and hasnt had much work since then and has been sitting in the shed just north of Seymour for a while.

$35,000 neg.

PM or call me for details (or if you want to give me some cash and I will go and look at it!)
Logged

1977 Alfetta GTV Group S - Race car
2008 WRX - Road car
Gary Pearce
Alfa2010
Full Member
*
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 206



View Profile
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2007, 07:28:22 PM »

Thanks Phil. I'm interested but as I am in Noosa for a couple of weeeks, and then Spectacalo, I wouldn't be able to have a look at it until November 24th. Can you arrange for me to visit?
Logged

1966 Giulia GTC
1967 Giulia Sprint GT Veloce
1967 Giulia Sprint GTA replica
1973 2000 GTV group S

1989 MX5
2008 Mazda 6 Tow Car
Scott Farquharson
Hero Member
*****
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 890



View Profile
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2007, 08:22:59 AM »

Group S car Phil?
Logged

Scott Farquharson
www.malvern-group.com.au/dulux
Group C/A Dulux GTV6
Group S Alfetta GTV 2.0L (new project)
156 Selespeed
75 Twinspark
Phil Baskett
Alfa2010
Hero Member
*
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 664



View Profile
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2007, 08:47:14 AM »

It crossed my mind Wink

But I couldn't do that to this car....to good for that.
Logged

1977 Alfetta GTV Group S - Race car
2008 WRX - Road car
Sheldon Mcintosh
Alfa2010
Sr. Member
*
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 427



View Profile
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2007, 12:15:37 PM »

Mmmmm group S Montreal.    Did they ever race them back in the day?
Logged

90 -  Grey one.  (Ironsides).  For track use only
90 - Blue one.  For road use only
GTV6 - Blue.
Phil Baskett
Alfa2010
Hero Member
*
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 664



View Profile
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2007, 01:03:34 PM »

They are on the Group S list and CAMS has a spec sheet for 'em.
Logged

1977 Alfetta GTV Group S - Race car
2008 WRX - Road car
Scott Farquharson
Hero Member
*****
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 890



View Profile
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2007, 02:03:20 PM »

Sheldon, stop encouraging him......although....could you fit the angine from a race 33 from the period, i mean it is the same motor - how much HP were they making?  Could be a weapon against the Pantera's.....how would it handle though?
Logged

Scott Farquharson
www.malvern-group.com.au/dulux
Group C/A Dulux GTV6
Group S Alfetta GTV 2.0L (new project)
156 Selespeed
75 Twinspark
Phil Baskett
Alfa2010
Hero Member
*
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 664



View Profile
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2007, 03:07:27 PM »

It's basically 105 suspension, and theres lot of stuff out there for them to handle well....where there's a will Wink

My cheque book is fast gaining the consitency of rubber however Cry
Logged

1977 Alfetta GTV Group S - Race car
2008 WRX - Road car
Doug Gould
Jr. Member
**
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 97



View Profile WWW
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2007, 04:44:12 PM »

I don't want to discourage you from buying the Monti, or even racing it group s. But there are some significant differences in the suspension between the Monti & 105. The major one is that the springs are unique. You'll be on your own with King springs. Discs are unique, brake calipers are 105, but with spacers for the vented rotors. Master cylinder is unique, but a bore size that is common. The 105 Koni shocks are pretty close, but have a little less travel. The ball joints, etc are the same as 105. There was at least one Monti raced in its day by a guy called Harvey Bailey in the UK. In australia Richard Anderson is noted for rallying one in QLD and there is a guy with a black one that is stripped for racing in the SA club that occasionally brings it to Philip Is.

The green ones look very nice. It seems to have been a popular colour in Europe. Its probably the most common colour amongst the 34 that attended the meeting in Camrils in September.

Doug Gould
Logged

08 159 JTS
07 Brera
85 GTV6
72 Montreal
65 2600 Sprint
60 VW Beetle
Scott Farquharson
Hero Member
*****
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 890



View Profile
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2007, 04:48:00 PM »

Tell me about the motor...

see 33/2 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_Tipo_33
Logged

Scott Farquharson
www.malvern-group.com.au/dulux
Group C/A Dulux GTV6
Group S Alfetta GTV 2.0L (new project)
156 Selespeed
75 Twinspark
a sharp
Alfa2010
Jr. Member
*
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 75


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2007, 04:59:21 PM »

Scott
I don't want to put a damper on your party but a T33 motor has about as in common to Monty motor as a Twin spark has to a GTAM, the same basic design concept by nothing is common between the two, and there is enougth external differances that you wont pass one off for the other for very long. you would also have to find a 2.5L version, the rareset of all the T33 motors.
Logged
Sheldon Mcintosh
Alfa2010
Sr. Member
*
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 427



View Profile
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2007, 07:44:37 PM »

There was at least one Monti raced in its day by a guy called Harvey Bailey in the UK.

Is that the same Harvey Bailey the suspension specialist?

Did the factory ever race Montreals?
Logged

90 -  Grey one.  (Ironsides).  For track use only
90 - Blue one.  For road use only
GTV6 - Blue.
Evan Bottcher
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 631



View Profile
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2007, 09:08:33 PM »

Rhoddy Harvey-Bailey.  I think he was the only non-Italian to drive a GTA for Autodelta, or was that a vicious rumour?

http://www.harveybailey.co.uk/racing_archives.asp?

Logged

Newest to oldest:
 '00 156 Monza Selespeed
 '85 Alfa 33 GCL
 '77 Alfasud Ti
 '69 1750 GTV in restoration
Scott Farquharson
Hero Member
*****
AROCA Division: Victoria
Posts: 890



View Profile
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2007, 09:51:07 AM »

Scott
I don't want to put a damper on your party but a T33 motor has about as in common to Monty motor as a Twin spark has to a GTAM, the same basic design concept by nothing is common between the two, and there is enougth external differances that you wont pass one off for the other for very long. you would also have to find a 2.5L version, the rareset of all the T33 motors.
Yes all true - but if Alan Goodall and I could pass off quad cam's as a std GTV6 motor in Marque Sports, i think we could do the same with a T33 in a Monty for Group S......sounds like a great project for Phil...
Logged

Scott Farquharson
www.malvern-group.com.au/dulux
Group C/A Dulux GTV6
Group S Alfetta GTV 2.0L (new project)
156 Selespeed
75 Twinspark
Justin Jacobs
Newbie
*
Posts: 41


View Profile
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2007, 02:51:04 PM »

The In 1975 Carlo Chiti's team at Autodelta fitted a 3-litre 340 bhp version of the Montreal engine to two special light-alloy Alfetta GTV shells. Described at the time as an Alfetta GT3000, this hybrid car has been referred to as a GTV8 after the appearance of the GTV6. One of these cars was entered in the rally of Elecar, Piacenza, Italy, in December 1975 but failed to finish due to failure of the gearbox (in spite of its having been strengthened). After further improvements were made for the 1976 session, the car had a few racing successes before the project was abandoned to save costs and the two drivers Jean Claude Andruet and Ballestrieri left the team.
One of these cars was located near Milan and fully restored by Bob van der Sluis in Holland. It has been described by Jos Hugense in the Dutch Alfa Romeo Club publication "Het Klaverblaadje", No. 73, 1996. Ed McDonough's impressions on driving the car at the 1997 SCARB meeting at the Assen circuit are recorded in "Assen Alfas", Auto Italia, No. 19, March 1998. It is believed that the second car was sold to Japan in 1990.
In 1977, on the initiative of Horst Reiff, Alfa Romeo's German distributor in Aachen, a very small number of GTVs were equipped with the Montreal's normal 200 bhp engine. These GTV shells were the regular steel ones and only the bulge on the bonnet betrayed that they were fitted with the V8 engine. This powerful coupé was marketed in Germany as the Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8 for DEM 50,000. 0-100 km/h acceleration for the hybrid vehicle remained as for the Montreal, but the maximum speed was claimed to exceed 230 km/h.
A fine original Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8 is maintained by Stefan Schmölzl in Bavaria, South Germany. These pictures show the engine bay from the side, from the front, and the car in 1992 and in 2000.
Starting with parts from an incomplete original car, Manfred Kopp has completely rebuilt an Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8 which is beautifully finished in metallic champagne colour. This picture shows the engine bay. Manfred maintains an Alfetta GT Club website.
Richard Anderson and Martin Darch are currently making a replica Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8 to compete in the Classic Adelaide and possibly the Targa Tasmania events. Martin would be very pleased to hear from anyone who has original documentary material on this model.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.4 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC
Joomla Bridge by JoomlaHacks.com
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.112 seconds with 20 queries.